TCI v10


A programmable ignition is extremely valuable in repair work as it fit a wide array of bikes.
It’s especially helpful if original part has been discontinued or is overpriced.
And of course it is required if you want to tune your engine.

Features

  • Programmable TCI.
  • For ONE or TWO* cylinders
  • For [2 strokes engines] and for [4 strokes engines with wasted spark*]

    * On 4stk engines with 1 pickup on the crankshaft, one spark occur at compression stroke and one at exhaust stroke. Firing in the exhaust stroke is a wasted spark. Hence the name…

  • 80MHz MicroController control unit
  • Firmware included
  • Easy programming with Micro USB Type B connection and terminal console
  • Compatible Windows, Android, Mac, Linux
  • Non volatile configuration
  • One customizable ignition curve
  • Engine speed from 10 to 16,000 RPM.
  • 0 deg advance from 1 to 500 RPM (to avoid kickback)
  • Adjustable timing in 13 steps from 500 to 16,000RPM
  • Improve timing curve
  • Remove stock Rev limiter
  • 1 input for an inductive pickup (VR)
  • Can use Hall Effect Sensor or Points (Need external resistor)
  • Pickup polarity can be set to Positive, Negative or Automatic detection.
  • 1 output for an INDUCTIVE coil type >1.5ohm.
  • 1 input for Kill switch.
  • 1 output for Tachometer.
  • Coil current: Max: 15A
  • Coil Over Voltage: Max 430v
  • Coil protection: shut off after 2sec without pickup signal.
  • Power supply voltage DC 10 to 16 volts.
  • Quiescent current 30mA
  • Protected against reverse supply voltage.
  • Available as a ready-to-use device in the SHOP section
  • Dimensions: 100 x 60 x 25mm (3.9 x 2.4 x 1inch)
  • Plastic box potted for Electrical insulation, Protecting components from mechanical shock and vibration, thermal shock or moisture.
  • 15cm(6”) 1.5mm2(16AWG) wires soldered with 6.3mm automotive female connectors.
  • Made in France

Cylinders:

Single-cylinder:
If there is one separate pickup:
=> This TCI works.
If there are 2 separate pickups (one for low RPM and one for High RPM):
=> This TCI works and uses only the High RPM pickup.
If the engine works with Missing Teeth:
=> This TCI will NOT works

* Twin-cylinders at 360° crankshaft angle:
The engine works with WASTED spark.
If there is ONE twin coil:
=> This TCI works.

See: TCI compatibility

Remember that ignition coils are different from TCI to CDI systems.
– CDI coils have low inductance and an impedance around 0.5-0.8ohm
– TCI coils have higher inductance and impedance around 1-5ohm
(1ohm for electronic ign. 3ohms for transistorized ign. 5ohms for points ign.)


Pickup:

A pickup (aka: VR, Variable Reluctor, Reluctor) is a sensor that have one signal wire and one ground wire.
It’s made of a coil of wire wrapped around a magnet. When a ferrous part passes by the magnet, the magnetic field is modified and a voltage pulse is created in the coil generating a sine wave.

– 1 input for inductive pickup with 1 signal per crank rev.
– Pickup must put out 3 to 30Vac
Points, reluctors, Hall sensor, optical sensors can also be used as long as they give only 1 pulse per revolution.
– 3 wires digital Hall effect sensors need an external pullup resistor. The default voltage output is equal to Vcc (+5v to 24v). When a magnet passes in front of the sensor, the output voltage goes low and the ignition will detect the RISING edge meaning the trigger moment will be when the magnet LEAVE the sensor.

– This TCI works with 1 pickup and 1 reluctor (the metal strip on the flywheel) [A,B].
– This TCI works with 2 pickup and 2 bars [E,F].
– This TCI DOES NOT work with 1 pickup and multi-pulses pickup (ie 2 reluctors on flywheel) [C,D].
– This TCI DOES NOT work with 1 pickup and missing tooth flywheel [G].


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Pickup Position
Even if it seems instantaneous, the flame front take some time to expand and ignite all the air+fuel mixture in the combustion chamber.
It becomes critical at high rpm. That’s why the ignition box should fire the spark a few degrees before the piston reaches Top Dead Center so the mixture explode just when the piston begin to back up.
Generally engines need to be ignited around 30 to 40° BTDC (Before Top Dead Center)

It’s the ignition box job to calculate the timing according to the RPM. It makes the calculation as soon as it detect a pickup signal.
Therefore if the box need to ignite the engine 40° BTDC, the pickup signal MUST trigger the box BEFORE 40° BTDC.
So the pickup position must be at the very least 40° or 42° BTDC.
Due to mechanical constraint, manufacturers put the pickup at different position, Yam XT600 was 36° btdc, Honda often uses 72°…

As the ignition box has been triggered way before it needs to fire the engine, the box just wait until it’s time to fire.

How to calculate the Pickup Position?

Pickup Polarity

Check the polarity of the pickup (Negative then Positive/NP or the opposite PN) with a Needle galvanometer (in milliAmp position) while kicking.

For a better understanding, this video can help.


Rev Limiter:

The last RPM value you enter is the “rev limit” that stop all sparks.


Ignition timing

Draw the ignition timing curve into this XLS sheet.


HowTo setup

Setup Ignition box.pdf


Terminal console

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  • Windows
    – Use a Terminal Software as CoolTerm or Teraterm or Putty or Kitty .

  • Android
    – Use Serial USB Terminal by Kai Morich and a Male-Male USB type-C OTG connector to USB micro-B. (video)
    The phone must be OTG compatible with OTG turned on:
    settings——additional settings—–enable/disable OTG.

  • Mac
    – Shell commands:
    terminal
    ls /dev/*usbserial*
    screen /dev/cn.usbserial-xxxxxxxx 115200 -L
    screen /dev/tty.usbserial-xxxxxxxx 115200

  • Linux
    – Use a Terminal Software as CoolTerm or Putty.
    – Use Shell commands to find the COM-port:
    tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep USB
    dmesg | egrep --color 'serial|ttyS'
    ls /dev/ttyUSB*

    Port Configuration:
    sudo su
    stty -a </dev/ttyUSB0
    stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 cs8 115200 time 10

    Connection to the device:
    cat /dev/ttyUSB0 & cat > /dev/ttyUSB0

WIRING

Ready-to-use unit: Wiring.


COIL.

Why CDI coils don’t work with TCI ignitions?


LED meaning.

LED in Autospark mode. | LED in Setup Console mode. | LED in Running mode.


PHOTOS.

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Dwell at LOW rpm:

Dwell at HIGH rpm:

Configuration with Smartphone:


VIDEOS

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Connection to the box:

Setup a ignition timing:

Change the ignition timing:

Extract timing from a TCI:



VERSIONS

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  • Version v10r0c0:
    • POC

  • Version v10r1c0:
    • [HW] SMD components.

  • Version v10r2c0:
    • [SW] Add coil protection.

  • Version v10r3c0:
    • [SW] Populate a default Eprom.

  • Version v10r4c0:
    • [SW] Add functionalities and fix bugs.



15 thoughts on “TCI v10”

  1. Dear Thiery ,
    Do there comes also a version where the schematic and the excel file are on the web , and where it is possible to buy only the software , and and the rest is DIY ?

    Thanck you ,
    Gerard

  2. Dear Thiery ,
    I’d like to purchase this item, but it seems to be out of stock.
    Could you tell me when it will be possible to purchase one?

    thank you.
    Rick

  3. Hello Thierry
    I noted that 2 type of TCI are available, which one is suitable for Yamaha xt 600 3tb .
    How it takes to ship the right TCI?
    Thanks in advance.
    Stavro

      1. Ciao Thierry
        my bike is equipped with tachometer cable (mechanical) , so please let me know which type of TCI?
        Delivery place is Milano, Italy, how will take and cost?
        Many tanks for your kindly help.
        Regards

          1. Hello Thierry
            I understood that righ type of programmable ignition for my Yamaha xt 600-3tb is TCI-V10, but ready to use means that device is ready for service no need additional set-up, adjustment or programming?
            Best regrads.
            Stavro Vinjau

          2. Hello Stravro
            A plug’n play and programmable TCI would be 5 times this price 🙂
            Ready to use mean: All electronic parts and wires are already sold.
            You have to:
            – connect the wires to your engine.
            – setup the TCI (like ANY programmable ignition box!)
            Regards,
            Thierry

            Lets face it: if you don’t know or don’t feel like doing some DIY stuff, consider buying a genuine Yamaha ignition. 😉

  4. HI!
    Are you still active?
    How complicated is it to set up the ignition box? Where do I find the values for my bike?

    With kind regards Ulf Ingelsson

  5. Hi,
    I am very pleased to have found your products. What I’m looking for is a unit that can sit between the pickup and the standard ignition / coil and be used to advance the ignition by 2/3 degrees. So I am wondering if you could supply without the CDI part of the circuit and have the output mimic the input pickup.
    Thanks in advance.

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